The urgency of prison reform as well as the criminal justice system that it is an integral part predates the Covid-19 crisis. Opaque, and occasionally dysfunctional, the governance of the system cannot be reduced to the current need to decongest over-crowded prisons. How do we rethink prison reform? Melisa Idris and Sharaad Kuttan speak to Sangeet Kaur Deo, member, All Party Parliamentary Group Malaysia for the Reform of All Places of Detention.