In mid-April our guest penned an opinion piece "Keep Our Prisons Free From Covid-19, For Everyone’s Sake" echoing the views of many experts that our prisons are a ticking pandemic time-bomb. After several prison outbreaks, the Prison Department has finally moved on dealing with chronic over-crowding. But should we lay the blame at the feet of the prisons? Melisa Idris and Sharaad Kuttan speak to Liew Chin Tong, Senator, Dewan Negara.