Recently, Economy Minister Rafizi Ramli revealed plans to make Terengganu, Pahang, Sabah, and Sarawak leaders in Carbon Capture and Utilisation Storage (CCUS), using old oil wells and terminal facilities for carbon storage. The announcement has sparked a heated debate — supporters see it as a necessary step towards reducing Malaysia’s carbon emissions, while critics argue CCUS enables greenwashing as producers can claim to be engaging in climate measures without reducing production. On this episode of #ConsiderThis Melisa Idris speaks to Gary Theseira, Director and council member of Climate Governance Malaysia, which is the country chapter of the World Economic Forum's initiative on climate governance.