SHAPE-SEA had organised a webinar with Forum-Asia yesterday, regarding the status of human rights in Southeast Asia during the time of the COVID-19 pandemic. One of the observations shared was that many countries in ASEAN are still treating the pandemic as a security issue. Melisa Idris and Sharaad Kuttan speak to webinar organiser Joel Mark Baysa-Barredo, programme manager for SHAPE-SEA (Strengthening Human Rights and Peace Research and Education in Southeast Asia programme).